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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2010, 08:17:32 PM »
Why does it have to be that long can't they just have main points in bullet format so everyone can understand what they are trying to do? If everyone can't understand it maybe its not the fault of the American people (like they try to imply), its their fault. Also passing something to see whats in it is insane. it is like saying hey don't test drive or even look at the car just buy it and drive it around to see if you like it....oh yeah once you buy it you can never sell it or return it. COME ON ITS A GOOD DEAL!!!

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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 11:15:31 AM »
I am not 100% opposed to health care. But I do oppose how many strings are attached and all the crap that is in it that has nothing to do with health care.

I am seriously tired of hearing about it so just do something with it. Then we can all see if it's any good or 1990 pages of toilet paper BS.


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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 09:44:16 AM »
I saw that.  It's a classic.  makes you wonder how much BS is in that thing if they won't show it to you.  These are the people that are supposed to be representing us.  It's a joke.  Just think she is #3 in line for the presidency.  be afraid...be very afraid.



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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 09:20:00 AM »
Did anyone catch this quote by Pelosi the other day??

"We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it"

Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it


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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 02:39:09 PM »
I think and I haven't been able to verify this yet, but I think there is a section in there that allows states to opt out of this if they so choose.  But I'm sure the option to opt out is similar to the time the Federal government imposed a 55 MPH top speed limit and if the states chose to opt out of it they would aloso not be getting any federal funding for the thier transportation projects.

There is still legislation in the bill that would eventually turn our healthcare system into a single payer system over the next 10 years or so.  All the issues from before still seem to be in their, just reworded.

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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 10:02:41 AM »
And his side kick the wicked witch from the west



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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 10:00:21 AM »
Maybe this is just a Halloween prank.



 

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Re: House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
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But Republican Rep. Joe Barton, who is Texan, said the bill is “about four reams of paper” that add up to the American public “getting reamed.”


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House health bill clocks in at 1,990 pages
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 09:58:17 PM »
Anyone for a little light reading?  This is ridiculous


It runs more pages than War and Peace, has nearly five times as many words as the Torah, and its tables of contents alone run far longer than this story.

The House health care bill unveiled Thursday clocks in at 1,990 pages and about 400,000 words. With an estimated 10-year cost of $894 billion, that comes out to about $2.24 million per word. .

And for some members, that may not be enough.

A “robust” public option can’t be found in the bill. Neither can the word “doctor” – save for a few references to degrees. No “cost curve” is bent. No “blue pill” is dispensed.

“Death” and “taxes” are both in there, but “death panel” is not.

The text defines dozens of words and phrases, including “family” (“an individual and . . . the individual’s dependents”), “health insurance coverage,” “exchange-eligible individual” and “Indian.”

And for those who cry “read the bill,” beware. There are plenty of paragraphs like this one:

“(a) Outpatient Hospitals – (1) In General – Section 1833(t)(3)(C)(iv) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395(t)(3)(C)(iv)) is amended – (A) in the first sentence – (i) by inserting “(which is subject to the productivity adjustment described in subclause (II) of such section)” after “1886(b)(3)(B)(iii); and (ii) by inserting “(but not below 0)” after “reduced”; and (B) in the second sentence, by inserting “and which is subject, beginning with 2010 to the productivity adjustment described in section 1886(b)(3)(B)(iii)(II)”.

The section deals with “incorporating productivity improvements into market basket updates that do not already incorporate such improvements,” if that helps.

Optimistic lawmakers say it could take a week just to get through the bill’s text.

“I’ll have to call an emergency meeting of my staff and drop the customary procedure of me reading and my staff not reading,” joked House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.), who famously told filmmaker Michael Moore that lawmakers “don’t read most of the bills.”

“It’s one thing to read it,” said Rep. Lee Terry (R-Neb.), a lawyer who voted against the first version of the bill on its way through the Energy and Commerce Committee. “It’s another thing to understand it when it’s written in legalese.”

When given the bill’s dimensions, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) noted that some members are faster readers than others.

“That’s one afternoon for Barney Frank,” he said.

Republicans aide said a print-out of the bill weighs more than 19 pounds and stands nearly nine inches tall.

North Carolina Republican Rep. Patrick McHenry, 34 years old and a few inches taller than 5 feet, said the bill could act as a ”booster seat.”

Democrats say the essence of the bill isn’t much different from the three sister bills they moved through committees this summer, which came in around 1,000 pages.

If you read those, they say, you pretty much know what’s in this one.

“It’s almost a complete certainty that we have already discussed and debated almost every element that’s in this bill,” said Rep. Steve Rothman (D-N.J.)

McHenry took issue with the notion that the 2,000-page bill hasn’t changed much from the earlier, 1,000-page versions. To prove the point, he pulled out a Democratic-written summary of the changes.

All eight pages of them.

Asked why the House will vote on the roughly 400,000-word bill in a week when it takes a congregation a year to read the 80,000-word Torah at a synagogue, Rothman, who is Jewish, exhibited the wisdom of a Talmudic scholar.

“It only takes a year because you read one section a week,” he said.

But Republican Rep. Joe Barton, who is Texan, said the bill is “about four reams of paper” that add up to the American public “getting reamed.”



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