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Whats another $634 Billion
« on: February 26, 2009, 11:36:21 AM »
I know your shocked but here comes more spending by Obama.  here you go

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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 11:38:10 AM »
Where does all this money come from? Are they going to pull it out of their asses?
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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 11:41:35 AM »
If we had all this money just laying around why is there a deficit?



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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 11:43:33 AM »
they're going to pull it out of our asses
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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 11:50:35 AM »
Maybe they are going to get it from all the money that disappeared out of my 401K...

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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 12:00:55 PM »
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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 12:04:12 PM »
Pop quiz, how much per person was spent on health care last year?


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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 12:08:50 PM »
$800 billion trillion! 



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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2009, 12:49:31 PM »
eleventy zillion

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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2009, 12:50:47 PM »
they're going to pull it out of our asses

And they plan on going deep

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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 02:00:54 PM »
hmm, seems a bit short, Gov already spends nearly $2.4 trillion in Healthcare for 08, yet somehow adding the $634 Billion over 10 years is gonna give everyone Heathcare.

Something don't smell right, there's alot more to this than they are telling us and this first infusion of $634 Billion ain't gonna do squat.  Probably filled with tons of crap/pork like all the other legislations thats being passed.

BTW I didn't mean to call pork, crap.  I like pork, in almost every form.  (Accept pickled pigs feet). 



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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 02:25:55 PM »
so far the money is just going to help those who already get free healthcare to get more coverage, and some of it is "suppose" to lower our cost of coverage.  This is skeptical at best.  I'm all for universal healthcare, but I deal w/ this crap everyday, and I'm really REALLY tired of worthless sacks of sh*t that don't even work who get everything paid for them, while I pay $200 a month for insurance, plus another $300 if my kid actually does go to the doctor.  I work and contribute to society, and yet I have to pay for health coverage.  Shouldn't it be the other way around.  Shouldn't we work on fixing that before we give sacks of sh*t more coverage.  I don't know, guess it's just me.

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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 03:24:00 PM »
This is probably the most poignant thing that I've read on the US Health care System, about half-way down it even explains how the system itself is causing the system to be more expensive.

Using 2006's numbers.
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Profits, billing, marketing, and the gratuitous costs of private bureaucracies siphon off $400 billion to $500 billion of the $2.1 trillion spent, but the more serious and less appreciated syndrome is the set of perverse incentives produced by commercial dominance of the system


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A popular strategy among cost-containment consultants relies on the psychology of income targeting. The idea is that physicians have a mental picture of expected earnings — an income target. If the insurance plan squeezes their income by reducing payments per visit, doctors compensate by increasing their caseload and spending less time with each patient.

This false economy is a telling example of the myopia of commercialized managed care. It may save the plan money in the short run, but as any practicing physician can testify, the strategy has multiple self-defeating effects. A doctor's most precious commodity is time — adequate time to review a chart, take a history, truly listen to a patient. You can't do all that in 10 minutes. Harried primary care doctors are more likely to miss cues, make mistakes, and — ironically enough — order more tests to compensate for lack of hands-on assessment. They are also more likely to make more referrals to specialists for procedures they could perform more cost-effectively themselves, given adequate time and compensation. And the gap between generalist and specialist pay is widening.



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The growth rate of medical expenditures has been slowest in nations with universal health insurance systems. Data are from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. GDP denotes gross domestic product.


Notice that the US's cost per person started as the highest and went up the most sharply of any of the other OECD Countries.

Okay now I'm off my soapbox.


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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2009, 05:03:31 PM »
Here's the whole article.  I realized I hadn't linked it.  http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/358/6/549



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Re: Whats another $634 Billion
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2009, 06:07:57 PM »
on average Taxes paid by people making average salaries in those countries, married with a couple of kids

USA - 12%
Germany - 36%
UK - 27%
Canada - 22%
Australia - 16%
Mexico 19%

so lets see here to have a government run health program lets say I will have to pay an additional 5% in taxes (thats probably pretty low but lets go with it).  Lets see I spend maybe $6,000 a year right now for insurance and everything insurance doesn't cover including dental and eye.  Without going into detail what I pay now is a fraction of the amount of extra money the government will need to take from me for us to have a poorly run health care system.  Screw that crap, I'm not a socialist and never will be, I like having the choice of what I want to do with my money and giving it to a bunch of lazy, illegal, drug addicted, or corrupt politicians is not my idea of fair.

No thanks, you like your system, by all means stay in your country cause I don't want what you have in my country.



 



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