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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 09:04:07 PM »
I have one question (for now)...Can we, the United States, AFFORD four more years of Obama?

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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2012, 09:11:23 PM »
A goose would make a better president

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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 09:15:06 PM »
Does the VP really matter that much?  Seriously if it did would you vote for Obama with Biden as VP?



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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 09:48:19 PM »
Does the VP really matter that much?  Seriously if it did would you vote for Obama with Biden as VP?
No kidding! Here's a fun link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/28/bidens-list-political-blunders/

and one of my favorites from that list:
-- At a Sept. 10, 2008, town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., Biden said, "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me."

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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2012, 02:56:28 PM »
All of you have good, valid points. I struggle with this a lot right now. There is no lesser of two evils in my opinion at all, none. These are the worst choices I have ever faced since I have been old enough to vote. This is my seventh presidential election. One choice offers a bankrupt, socialist republic. The other choice offers a bankrupt, backward step, that will place the financial burden even MORE on the middle class. A class that I might add has been dwindling at an alarming rate since the Obamanation has been president. I know personally my family has slipped from uper to mid middle class, to low middle class and is well on its way to falling in the poor class section, with no apparent light at the end of the tunnel.

Personally I want to know who the other parties have running, because regardless of the fact that there is no way another party will win I am sick and tired of what these moronic dip-shits that run the parties are coming up with. If the American people keep voting for these Ass-Hats, then we will still have these Ass-Hats running our country. Based on what I have read, seen, and talked about to many people, and how I always believed, we are stuck in a rut thinking we have no choice but to vote for one of the two parties, because there is no way a third party will win. Well guess what we do a damn fine job of creating a self fulfilled prophecy by doing nothing but voting for one of these two corrupt dip-shit parties, rather than trying something else.

At this point neither Obama or Romney is better or worse than the other. They are both idiots that refuse to look at the whole and make things work through diplomacy and compromise. They are both my way (the parties way) or the highway thinkers with their own agenda and little or no regards for the shitheap they are causing to get their agendas in place and fulfilled.

In my opinion you cannot go wrong voting another party, or minor party. Sure one of the two big or main parties, Demo or Repub will win, but so far I see no diff between the two as far as leading our country down the wrong path, so what is there to lose to look elsewhere. Maybe, someday another party may actually work out because of how screwed the parties in power are. It would not be the first time in our history that has happened due to one or the other party losing sight of what the people (all of the people want). It has happened three times, though there have been major changes in the parties throughout history that could be considered a change in the active parties. The only big difference is usually it is only one party that is replaced and not both and in my opinion both need to be replaced, or make some major changes, backing off from the extremest majority that seems to be dominating both parties.

I will now step down from my :preachon: and be amazed if you all read the total of my long rant.  :no_teeth:
 




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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2012, 03:25:06 PM »
I think you've got the same thing on your mind that all of us do, John.

The strange part is, I tend to think it's not the presidents at fault, it's the parties that elect them to be the figurehead, or more appropriately, the scapegoat.  While they have that final veto power and definitely some pull, they didn't get into that office on their own.  So I don't think it was Clinton's fault, or Bush Jr's fault, or Obama's fault.  I think they're the face to the decisions made by their parties and by congress.  It's broken at all levels, not the top level (or at least, not JUST the top level).

Honestly, I don't think we should vote for anyone that WANTS the office.
 

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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2012, 04:42:57 PM »
I agree Keet. When I first started voting my dad talked politics with me a lot. Not to forward his views on being Republican or Democrat, but the political process and how things are run in DC. He said, "Be very wary of who you select for any election, because I have noticed that when the congressional branch and the executive branch are of the same party things get way out of control and swing more extreme and extreme is not the answer. So when you vote think about that and weigh your vote accordingly."

Pretty wise if you ask me. Take a look at when things have gotten majorly F'd up. When Clinton was in office was it not better and did the budget not get somewhat balanced when the Republicans controlled congress? Then Bush Jr. got in there and had two terms with Republican control of congress and we ended up with an economy crash due to uninhibited, unregulated investment control and over spending. Obama came into that, but with him came another swing and again we have the same party in control of both branches, so we get over spending and an impossible medical reform that if not done something about will nearly if not completely bring this country to its knees. Now even if we had dual control in the two branches, both parties are so far divided I am concerned that everything will come to a stand still including bailing out the damn sinking ship or manning the life boats.
 




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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2012, 05:03:30 PM »
I tend to think the larger issue is the one where it's an agenda driven party when the agenda isn't for the betterment of humanity. 

Universal healthcare makes sense.  Universal education makes sense.  Continuing to push the boundaries of science for alternative fuels, our reliance on fossil fuels and reducing greenhouse gasses makes sense.

Those that are in power (those that write the checks) continue to serve their own interests, so these items are still a very long way off.
 

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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2012, 09:08:10 PM »
Great points guys.   I do have a question for you though.   Do you think Paul Ryan will help Romney?   I don't know much about Paul Ryan myself, but do you think that this election will come down to who has the best VP in the race?

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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2012, 02:04:51 PM »
Great points guys.   I do have a question for you though.   Do you think Paul Ryan will help Romney?   I don't know much about Paul Ryan myself, but do you think that this election will come down to who has the best VP in the race?

From what I hear about him, I can't say I am overly impressed. He is very ideological in a pretty far right sort of way. I think if given free reign he would totally revamp and or do away with any and all social programs that the US has. Mind you I think there is a lot of reform that is desperately needed, but this guy is a little scary with his extreme ideas. Just my opinion from what I have heard and read.
 




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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2012, 02:20:59 PM »
No, I don't think he's good for Romney (unless you're wealthy).  Romney really hasn't come out with an economic plan, but he's thrown his support for Ryan's.  Here are the highlights to Ryan's plan:

The Romney-Ryan Economic Plan
 

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Re: Presidential Election 2012
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2012, 02:26:30 PM »
If by any good do you mean he'll help him get more votes?  I doubt it.  The far right was never going to vote for Obama anyway.  For me he doesn't sway my vote



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