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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2008, 07:54:41 PM »
btw  :plus1: to everyone for keeping level heads in a thread that's gone all over the place and hit a lot of hot points...

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2008, 08:00:03 PM »
here's my 2cents, it should just be an average of what you make.  Bottom line, we would be b*tchin' just as much if we made 50 million last year and the govn't wanted 30 of it. that's my money, and now you want to take more of it.  Why should I be paying more taxes just b/c I was so successful in life.  No way, when I make my million I want to keep the most of it I can, and not just have a higher percentage taken away so that I really didn't start making as much money as I would like. You worked for the money, you earned, and you should get to keep it.  Low class, middle class, upper class. you work for it, you keep it.  Not, hey, you made a sh*t ton of money so you are going to give us waaay more money now.  When I worked two jobs I lost money b/c I had to pay a completely separate tax for the extra job.  WTF!!  That's democrats at work wanting more of your money from your extra job and you're pulling the wool over your eyes if you deny it.

100% agree

Now I'm not saying there are not corporate CEOs that make a ton of money they dont deserve but if I would win the lottery this weekend I would much rather share the money with my friends then have it taken from me and given to whoever for whatever reason.

I have worked 2 full time jobs at different times in my life, I'm a bad money manager, but someone shouldnt be punished for taking some initiative, it is called after all "The American Dream"

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2008, 08:07:06 PM »
What sucks about our tax system is being at the low end of a tax bracket. I got a raise this year that just edged me into the next tax bracket and now I'm getting killed on taxes, our gst rebate and child credit have also been reduced. Its enough to make me wonder if the raise was worth it.
So to some extent I agree. sometimes I wonder how they came up with it all. It's always the guy out busting his ass and making the country run that gets screwed.

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #63 on: July 31, 2008, 08:14:29 PM »
What sucks about our tax system is being at the low end of a tax bracket. I got a raise this year that just edged me into the next tax bracket and now I'm getting killed on taxes, our gst rebate and child credit have also been reduced. Its enough to make me wonder if the raise was worth it.
So to some extent I agree. sometimes I wonder how they came up with it all. It's always the guy out busting his ass and making the country run that gets screwed.

And thats my whole problem, I voted strict Democrat up til about 8 years ago but when I realized the Dems take more from me to give to the nondeserving I started voting Republican. I wont say that I wouldnt vote Dem if I know of the person more than what his campaign says.

In my business you have access to alot of places alot of people dont have and you get to see some things that will affect you, case in point.

There was a Republican woman in an office building we did work for, I was instructed that the BUILDING OWNER wanted all thermostats set to 74 degrees in the building. She was out of her office and when I started adjusting her stat her assistant questioned me, I told her what I was doing so she called the Chief of Staff. They then commenced to "do you know who's office this is", "do you know who your doing this to", etc. etc. and jumping on my ass. I didnt change the stat setting but the next morning at the shop I told everyone about it 40+ people and in turn they told everyone they knew and so did I. Needless to say she was pummeled when she ran in the next election and the majority of the people said"because she thought she was better than others". I'm not saying that she wasnt relected because of me but word of mouth does get it.

Besides I really dont believe in a 2 party system and Ron Paul was my man for president anyway

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2008, 08:23:34 PM »
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world.

Ok, I'll ignore everything else wrong in that article and just focus on this one since it's kind of what you guys are talking about.  The author of the artcle really needs to do his homework.  WHO (World Health Organization) ranks the United States in 37th in health care in the world as of late 2007.  That includes both cost and quality.  I believe (you may have to look it up to make sure) that every country ahead of the US has some kind of universal health care system.

I'm not advocating a complete socialist health care system, just basic health care.  And I wouldn't even say for everyone, we can just start with free basic health care for children under 18 years old.

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2008, 08:25:49 PM »
That kind of ego from public servants drives me crazy. Sometimes they have to be reminded they work for us. Or shown the door.

I think a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich bill would have been pretty explosive. Paul even indicated he'd consider it.

I can't stand 2 party politics, it's the same here. A vote for any other party is a throwaway. But how's this for crazy, the 3rd largest party in our parliament is a Quebec only party and part of their platform is Quebec sovereignty. They call that treason in other countries. Here they're too pussy to do anything about it except bend over and take it.

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2008, 09:21:05 PM »

So your saying that welfare recepients(again the undeserving) that we the middle class that bear the burden give a way of life, that its good that not only they get free money but they are not taxed as much also?

I think the part that you may not be seeing is that the welfare recipients aren't going to pay their bill at which point they would get it most likely from the gov't anyway wouldn't they?  If you're on welfare they can't take your money from you, at which point that hospital will get the money from the government.  Am I wrong in this?  Perhaps re-aligning the welfare system is in order.

 Our welfare system was recently changed to make it damn near impossible to get off of.  Sounds crazy but it's true.  Where before if you were on welfare you could go to a vocational school on the gov't dime to get a job, now if you're on welfare and start going to school you lose your welfare.  Want to talk stupidity, there you have it.


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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2008, 07:59:02 AM »
What sucks about our tax system is being at the low end of a tax bracket. I got a raise this year that just edged me into the next tax bracket and now I'm getting killed on taxes, our gst rebate and child credit have also been reduced. Its enough to make me wonder if the raise was worth it.
So to some extent I agree. sometimes I wonder how they came up with it all. It's always the guy out busting his ass and making the country run that gets screwed.

I know what you mean.  I made such a little money at first that I was able to qualify for Medicade for my kids.  Wow!!!  I never paid a thing.  They went to the doctor, nothing.  They went to the emergency room, nothing.  They needed meds, got them, generic, but I could care less, it was all free.  Then I got a raise and it bumped to a higher income bracket.  Now I have to pay for my kids insurance and so I think I end up making like $100 less every month.  Not to mention the d*ck up the a** I take if they have to go to the doctor or something, because now I'm paying for the $200 visit bill on top of my monthly insurance of $250 a month.  WTF!!!

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2008, 10:56:32 AM »
if I would win the lottery this weekend I would much rather share the money with my friends then have it taken from me and given to whoever for whatever reason.

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2008, 07:53:47 PM »
if I would win the lottery this weekend I would much rather share the money with my friends then have it taken from me and given to whoever for whatever reason.

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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2008, 10:32:42 PM »
For all of you who think the rich don't pay their share what exactly is their fair share?  How much is enough?  I will give you a chart showing you the levels of income earners and how much of the income they earn and then you tell me how much of the tax burden they should carry.

The top 1% of wage earners make 17% of America's total earnings
The top 5% makes 32%
The top 10% makes 43%
The top 25% makes 65%
The top 50% makes 86%

Lets also figure out who provides the jobs.  Small business owners provide 70% of the current jobs and 80% of new jobs.  So when we increase the tax burden of a business owner one of three things happen.
1 The business owner takes the increase out of his profits
2 The business owner lays someone off.
3 The business does not make any new hires.

So who gets affected more by the tax increase on the rich?  The business owner (evil greedy rich bastard)  or the employee (poor pitiful person).

Dont get me wrong the Democrats have great ideas and the world would be a great place if we could sit around and do nothing and our every desire would be fulfilled but the truth is you have to pay for it somehow.  The only reason people start businesses is to make money and if you take too much of that money away then what is the point of running a business.

The problem is the government has too many wasteful programs start taking away subsidies, arts programs, bridges to nowhere, and every other piece of pork legislation and we might start getting somewhere but we have a long way to go.

The real problem is we have gotten away from the constitution.  Please tell me where it says you have the right to a job, health care, cable tv, cellphone, art programs, internet, cheap gas, and own your own home.  The constitution states you have the right to pursue happiness not to have government provide it for you. 

All these government programs are nothing but robbery pure and simple.  If I was to force you at gunpoint (and going to jail for not paying taxes is gunpoint) to give me your money so my kids could go to the doctor then I would be the one to locked up. 

One last thing for all of you who think the government should run all these programs do you apply for your refund or pay more than you owe?




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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2008, 10:44:44 PM »
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All these government programs are nothing but robbery pure and simple.  If I was to force you at gunpoint (and going to jail for not paying taxes is gunpoint) to give me your money so my kids could go to the doctor then I would be the one to locked up.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, just want to point out that there are people in the US doing this.  Most common reason in the US for a bank robbery is........  illness.


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Re: Why Obama refuses to wear American Flag and respect anthem
« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2008, 06:03:04 PM »
2 words: offshore account  :up:


 



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