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Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« on: October 27, 2008, 02:15:44 PM »
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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2008, 04:48:12 PM »
Interesting.


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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 06:39:44 PM »
Awesome, yet people still think he has a good plan. I get to work for a living to barely make it by so some lazy ass can have what I've worked for? Great Plan.

Nice to see that he doesnt believe that the Constitution isn't "right" also

BTW if anyone really wants to hear I can tell you what great things desegregation did for the parish I went to school at.

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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 07:35:57 PM »
another example of ppl just not truely listening to what he is trying to do.  A good speaker who dances around the issues and has some piss poor ideas for this country imho.  Media want him to be elected and it shows.  Unions want him in b/c of the pwr he will give them.  I'm getting to the breaking point on this w/ the ppl who really don't know what Obama is about, and just think it is time for a change in government and this is it.  No matter what change it is, even if it is for the worse, they want that change.  Wake up America.  It's Marxism.
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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 05:43:23 AM »
I bet both of you would get tax breaks under his plan.

Joey, are you insinuating that desegregation was a bad thing?!? seriously?

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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 07:03:15 AM »
To me, it's not about what I get, it's about what keeps jobs from being lost.  Taxing small business (the Obama campaign refuses to acknowledge or deny that they will be doing this, but their plan does raise business taxes on small business), will cause job loss and stall any hopes at climbing out of recession sooner.
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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 07:26:36 AM »
Awesome, yet people still think he has a good plan. I get to work for a living to barely make it by so some lazy ass can have what I've worked for? Great Plan.
Would you rather the money go to fund the crazy bonuses of the fat cats of the failed investment companies? Because that's what we're doing with the $700B bailout sellout plan.


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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 09:00:37 AM »
I'm not saying one campaign has all the answers, but I know that Obama wants to talk from every hard working American and spread it out.  WELFARE!!  I'm w/ Fro.  I don't care about my tax break.  My job is safe somewhat b/c it's integrated w/ the law, but what about my dad?  what about my wife's job?  And her family?  They are all in great risk of losing it b/c of the taxes Obama wants to implement.  This is not about ME, ME, ME.  This has to be about America, what is good for the economy.  A $3000 tax break from Obama for creating a new job.  Are you serious?  Creating a new job costs that companies 10's of thousands of dollars, no company will go for that.  So Obama will blame the company and America will follow b/c he is such a good talker.  Obama will take thousands of jobs from hard working Americans and use the extra money to give to ppl that just sit back and want a free handout from the government.  More welfare, more ppl dependant on the government, and more ppl wanting government to make all their choices and not have a say.  Willing to give up freedoms so government can control.  Socialism.  "You make more, and I take more.  You make less and I give you more." - Karl Marx

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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 09:42:45 AM »
Awesome, yet people still think he has a good plan. I get to work for a living to barely make it by so some lazy ass can have what I've worked for? Great Plan.

Would you rather the money go to fund the crazy bonuses of the fat cats of the failed investment companies? Because that's what we're doing with the $700B bailout sellout plan.


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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi says after the election she would like to see congress back in session to pass a second stimulus package.
  More money for the fat cats?

This is what really blows my mind:
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And on concerns that Democrats might control both the White House and Congress she said the following.

"Elect us, hold us accountable, and make a judgment and then go from there. But I do tell you that if the Democrats win and have substantial majorities, Congress of the United States will be more bipartisan," said Pelosi.
  She's kidding right?  These people can't play nice now.
These quotes are taken from this story:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/politics&id=6473426

Is anyone else very afraid of the almost deity-like figure Obama is becoming among his followers and yes even the media.  Newspapers, TV etc.  It doesn't matter what he says it is not questioned or disputed.  I don't know about anyone else but it scares the hell out of me.  No public figure should be given this kind of pass and praise.  Maybe when he actually does something he can be praised.



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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 10:39:25 AM »
"there are few thinkers in modern history whose thought has been so badly misrepresented, by Marxists and anti-Marxists alike." -- American Marx scholar Hal Draper

The problem that ensues here is that everything is speculation.  I can't agree with Mitch more, and my view over the years has changed a lot.  I used to be one of those "Why does the man get a tax break while mine go up?"  The truth is that the best way to look after the working class is to take care of the people that supply the jobs.  Now this can be done in a number of ways and I've read many different theories on it. 

One theory that I've read and really like was that you can raise taxes on bigger business and actually encourage the business to come to you still by offering incentives and breaks based on wage vs the poverty line wages and size of workforce.  So while some smaller businesses will have to look upon different ways to make their breaks, the larger companies are encouraged to expand their workforce and increase their wages to offset taxes to the point that the company taxes can wind up being lower than what their current tax level is.  There are inherent problems with it though.  Small businesses will be further hampered by conglomerates that can undercut them further due to their tax breaks and incentives.  Some companies may over-expand beyond their need to achieve optimum cuts and wind up hurting themselves, if unchecked.  There are various other problems, problems exist with any theory however, if there was one answer that would work government would be a lot easier to choose.

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Obama will take thousands of jobs from hard working Americans and use the extra money to give to ppl that just sit back and want a free handout from the government.


IF the ideals that he's displaying are taken to an extreme edge it is entirely possible.  It is probable that IF he could even get his ideal passed through the senate people may lose jobs.

I will say that some of his platforms seem incredibly short sighted, so to do some of McCain's though.  Both have been incredibly secretive in public about their platforms for a reason.  Their platforms won't appeal to everyone and so they won't say them in order to try to appeal to the masses.



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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 12:14:49 PM »
Stop the hating on Obama the reason we are in this mess is because Bush has been in the white house for 8 years and hell McJackass vote with that fool 90% of the time. We spend 10 billion a month on a Bullshit as war and we can't help people here that are losing there homes and jobs because the big guys on top get all the taxes breaks get the hell out here. They take jobs over sea to pay the workers there less money. And I had over 20 friends that have die in this Bullshit ass war that was based on lies. Face it it's time for change and time for McCain to go to a retirement home.

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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 01:01:46 PM »
They take jobs over sea to pay the workers there less money.

And just how often do you shop at Walmart/Target/Costco...etc.....

The jobs will continue to go overseas as long as the consumers demand lower prices.  You can't have affordable American goods to buy AND pay high manufacturing wages at the same time.   The country seems to want cheap crap to buy and thus there go the jobs.  I can't figure out how/where Obama will recreate all of these old manufacturing jobs that have been lost over the years.


 

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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 01:34:11 PM »
I can't figure out how/where Obama will recreate all of these old manufacturing jobs that have been lost over the years.
He can't and neither will McCain.  We have become a service society not a manufacturing one anymore.  Nobody wants to do that work.
And Joetekken I'm not hating on Obama.  I just don't believe that he is the savior of this country.  Everyone has fallen in love with this term "change" he keeps throwing out there.  I wanted to like him.  Tried to like him.  But in the end I'm scared to death that he talks a good game and that's it.



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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 02:08:59 PM »
he talks a good game and that's it.

They all do. That's why it really doesn't matter who wins. Whomever is chosen will do nothing by themselves. We as a community need to make changes. A politician can't do anything to make people do anything they themselves don't want to.



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Re: Obama's long desire for wealth redistribution
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 02:24:47 PM »
Stop the hating on Obama the reason we are in this mess is because Bush has been in the white house for 8 years and hell McJackass vote with that fool 90% of the time. We spend 10 billion a month on a Bullshit as war and we can't help people here that are losing there homes and jobs because the big guys on top get all the taxes breaks get the hell out here. They take jobs over sea to pay the workers there less money. And I had over 20 friends that have die in this Bullshit ass war that was based on lies. Face it it's time for change and time for McCain to go to a retirement home.


If by Bush's fault, you meant Clinton's fault, then I'll agree with you. Look at any political analyst and ask why we're in the current mess and they will tell you Clinton's deregulation 9 times out of 10. The last 1 of the 10 already drank the Obama kool aid.

If you still don't think Obama is a socialist:

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/

 



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