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Re: Will Obama gut defense?
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2008, 11:14:59 PM »
and what does the wizard of oz have to do with any of this?

So why the reliance on strawmen?

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Re: Will Obama gut defense?
« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2008, 02:04:14 PM »

I do not think that all gun laws should be repealed.
It amuses me how the 2nd Amendment is virtually holy writ for some, but for others, well its open to interpretation. :)

The second amendment gives you the right to own a gun not to do what you please with it.

Laws against committing crimes with guns are fine, and yes people are going to continue to break them but they allow for stiffer penalties and do not punish the innocent.
Whats the point for laws against using guns in a crime? Its no different than using a rental car, or homemade flamethrower, or ninja throwing stars. What makes murder by gun any more special than murder by baseball bat? 

Murder is murder and you don't get get a different sentence based on the weapon.  However if you rob a bank using just a note versus a gun you do get a lot more jail time based on the risk you placed people in.  Again laws meant to deter and to punish are not hurting innocent people.  Again the constitution gives you the right to own a gun not to do what you please with it.

My stance is that as long as you are not hurting anyone else's person or property then you should be able to do whatever you want.  Now should criminals who have served their time have their rights restored?  I dont know I have mixed feelings on that.
Why the mixed feelings? Do criminals...suspected, convicted or otherwise...have the right to self defense? (obviously when they're not in state custody) When the government sends in the socialist blue-helmeted shocktroops of the UN, shouldn't felons be able to fight for their freedom as well?

My mixed feeling have to do with the fact that convicted felons have chosen to break the law and disregard the rules of society.  They by choice have decided that they are above the law and violated someone else's rights.  When you choose to violate someone else's right then you need to be punished and be resolved of some of your rights.  My question is should that be permanent or temporary. 

As far as the mentally handicap go I would say that as long as they are legally responsible for themselves and arent a ward of the state or someone else then yes they can legally own a weapon.

I see no reason why the emotionally erratic and unstable shouldn't have access to high powered weaponry.

There is a reason why gun men go on shooting sprees at schools, colleges, malls and churches...
...don't forget family functions on Christmas eve. I'm in agreement with you; no where is safe unless we are a fully armed nation on high alert. We'd have less of these tragedies if everyone were ready to throw hot lead on a moments notice. We should have guns in schools, at the stores and in churches. And, to greet Santa when he comes knocking. Can't let our guards down for a moment.

Your last two statements are dripping with sarcasm and appear that you are mocking anyone who believes in gun rights.  No where have I said that everyone in the country should be armed, all I am saying is that if you are a law abiding citizen and you want to own weapons then you have the right.  If you dont want guns in your house and you have faith that the local policeman can protect your family from threat then that is fine by me. 

Several times we have asked for your opinion and your answer to the gun issue but you refuse to take this discussion seriously and give us a straight answer.   


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Re: Will Obama gut defense?
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2008, 10:54:52 PM »
Responses after the new year. Have a good one, fellas.


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